What Demis Hassabis says about the future of intelligence
By Prof. May El Barachi, Dean of Computer Science, University of Wollongong in Dubai. Published 22 December 2025.
Demis Hassabis, co-founder of Google DeepMind and 2024 Nobel laureate in Chemistry, argues that progress toward AGI is not a straight line. In a recent interview with Prof. Hannah Fry, he describes today's AI as "jagged intelligence" - strong at narrow peaks, unreliable in the gaps - and bets that the next leap will come from world models, simulation, and reasoning research, not from scale alone.
Who is Demis Hassabis?
Demis Hassabis is a British AI researcher, entrepreneur, and neuroscientist best known as the co‑founder and CEO of Google DeepMind. He led the teams behind AlphaGo and AlphaFold, behind AlphaGo and AlphaFold, work that reshaped both AI and biology and culminated in his 2024 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for AI-driven protein structure prediction. He has been vocal on AI safety and governance, contributing to global policy discussions including the UK AI Safety Summit.What makes Google Deepmind different?
Google DeepMind has been a major force in AI research for over a decade. Much of the work it began ten to fifteen years ago laid the groundwork for later advances, including transformer models that were eventually commercialized by organizations such as OpenAI. What differentiates DeepMind, in my view, is its focus on producing world-class research and science rather than a purely commercial focus. Hassabis' background in neuroscience clearly shapes this direction: drawing ideas from how humans think, learn, and plan, and applying them to machine learning. He often describes DeepMind's mission as "solving intelligence," then applying it to hard problems in science and society.
What is the future of intelligence? Six takeaways from the interview
After listening to Hassabis reflect on intelligence, one thing became clear: progress toward AGI is not a straight line, and it is not just about building bigger models. The reality is messier, and more interesting.
1. A decade of progress in a year exposed real weaknesses
Multimodal systems have advanced at remarkable speed. At the same time, this progress revealed an uncomfortable truth: models that can solve Olympiad-level problems may still fail at basic reasoning. Instead of smoothing intelligence, recent gains made its uneven nature obvious.
2. The main obstacle is consistency, not raw ability
Hassabis describes today's systems as "jagged intelligences" - impressive at certain peaks, unreliable in the gaps. Until AI can reason steadily across domains and recognize when it does not know something, general intelligence remains out of reach.
3. Bigger models alone are not enough
DeepMind is placing its bets evenly: half on scaling compute and data, half on new system designs. Scale helps, but progress also depends on better reasoning, handling uncertainty, and learning over longer time horizons.
4. Language does not equal understanding
Some parts of intelligence cannot be learned from text alone. Physical intuition, spatial reasoning, and interaction with the world require experience. This is why world models and simulation are becoming central to current research.
5. Simulation may teach us why intelligence exists at all
One of the most striking ideas discussed was the use of large-scale simulations to study how intelligence, social behavior, and even consciousness might arise. Running millions of controlled experiments could help explain not just how intelligence works, but why it emerged.
6. AI may be overstated now, and still underestimated later
Hassabis holds two views at once: parts of today's AI ecosystem are clearly inflated, yet the deeper, long-term effects - especially in science and energy - are still widely misunderstood. The biggest changes may arrive later, but cut much deeper.
What were the new announcements and concepts?
Beyond the broader reflections, six specific announcements or framings stood out in the interview.
Deepened partnership with Commonwealth Fusion Systems
Hassabis revealed that the collaboration with Commonwealth Fusion Systems is now much deeper than previously understood. The work goes beyond advisory roles into plasma containment and advanced materials, positioning fusion research as a real testbed for AI-driven scientific discovery.
Genie and SIMA: an infinite training loop
For the first time, Hassabis publicly described how Genie (DeepMind's world-model system) and SIMA (DeepMind's embodied-agent system) are intended to form an infinite self-improving loop. World models generate environments, agents act within them, outcomes refine the world model, and the cycle repeats. This frames embodied learning as central, not auxiliary, to AGI progress.
Physics benchmarking via game engines
A genuinely novel methodological detail: DeepMind is developing A-level physics benchmarks inside game engines. The goal is to test whether models actually respect Newtonian laws, not just predict outcomes statistically. This signals a shift from language-centric evaluation to grounded physical correctness.
Whole-statement confidence scoring
Hassabis outlined a concrete path to addressing model reliability: confidence is assessed across thinking steps and planning, validating entire statements rather than token-by-token probabilities. This is an important evolution toward trustable reasoning systems rather than fluent text generators.
"Jagged intelligence" as a first-class concept
He explicitly used the term "jagged intelligence" to describe how current systems excel in some areas while failing badly in others. This terminology formalizes a widely felt but rarely named limitation of state-of-the-art models.
World models reaffirmed as his core obsession
While not new in isolation, Hassabis reinforced that world models remain his longest-standing passion. He sharply contrasted spatial, embodied learning with today's LLM-dominant paradigm, calling out a fundamental gap that still blocks general intelligence.
Closing thought
What I appreciated most about the interview was its tone: ambitious but realistic, hopeful but honest. The future of intelligence will not arrive in a single dramatic moment. It will come from working through many difficult, often unglamorous problems that we are only beginning to grasp.
FAQ
Q. What is "jagged intelligence"?
A. A term used by Demis Hassabis to describe AI systems that perform brilliantly on some tasks (Olympiad problems, protein folding) while failing on basic reasoning in the gaps between those peaks. He treats consistency, not raw ability, as the central remaining obstacle to AGI.
Q. Is AGI close, according to Hassabis?
A. He holds two views at once. Parts of today's AI ecosystem are clearly inflated, but the long-term effects - especially in science and energy - are still widely underestimated. He does not commit to a date; he commits to a research programme split evenly between scaling and new system design.
Q. What are Genie and SIMA?
A. Genie is DeepMind's world-model system, which generates simulated environments. SIMA is DeepMind's embodied-agent system, which acts inside those environments. Hassabis describes them as forming a self-improving loop: world models generate environments, agents act in them, outcomes refine the world model, repeat.
Q. Why are world models important?
A. Because some parts of intelligence - physical intuition, spatial reasoning, interaction with the world - cannot be learned from text alone. World models give AI a simulated environment in which to acquire experience that language data cannot supply.
About the author
Prof. May El Barachi, Dean of Computer Science and Full Professor at the University of Wollongong in Dubai. Academic leader in digital innovation, applied AI and industry-aligned technology education.